Below shows the situation unfolding, that skimmer just moved 24in across the table, but one part of its wing is over a part of terrain. GW rules can't be posted here, but they basically say "Skimmers that end there movement in terrain take a difficult terrain test" So, in the below example, is the Valkyrie in terrain? The base is 4" across and the wing is 8" above the ground. (I know its a B17 on a display clock, but I don't personally own a Valkyrie, but the size and stand is similar enough to use)
How my gaming group normally plays skimmers with terrain is that the base is used to determine if the model is in terrain. Failing that, we also check if the model is physically in the terrain as well.
Picture A was taken about 3' to the skimmer, at an angle of about 60degrees
Picture B was taken directly 3 feet above the model, which the wingtip has a small portion of wing directly above a piece of terrain.
So, in the above situation, does a skimmer require a difficult terrain test after comming to stop?
... Mitch
Now from what you said your "house rules" may be that you do but I think in tournament or non house games no you wouldn't. I have to go with the idea of everything is based of base movement in the gam efor the most part so, as long as the base is not in the terrain your safe. But, when you get into rules with GW the middle ground is always a battle. But I think youre safe in this situation.
ReplyDeleteThis is difficult, because when you see a tau skimmer or eldar skimmer, if their hull is over it, they are pretty much in it.
ReplyDeleteBut in this case you have large wings extending from it.
In this case, I'd say no. Especially since that is in the degree of error for picking up and moving models.
I'd rule it if the hull of teh vehicle is over the terrain, then a test is incurred. Otherwise, no test is needed.
I have no idea, but I just wanted to say that I have that alarm clock too! I'm currently debating using it as a Marauder bomber or something... silly 40k taking our old toys and making them fun again!
ReplyDeleteWings are considered the same as weapons etc, it's the hull that counts.
ReplyDeleteI use a vendetta in my army, and the base is slightly larger than the main body of the skimmer. If the base is in terrain, it is in terrain, if the base is placed out of terrain, it is out of terrain.
ReplyDeleteeasy as that!
Wings are an integral part of the vehicle. They are not a majestic decorative components like banners. They are not secondary components like a dozer blade or a long protruding cannon barrel. If you hit your wing on some rocks, you crash.
ReplyDeleteI guess it would be easier to answer, if you are shooting the vehicle, do you count the wing to shoot at?
ReplyDeleteIt would make sense that the same vital parts that can be shot, can be damaged by terrain.
Max > I've had that alarm clock a long time!
ReplyDeleteI'm going to say no. If there is no GW rule saying "if anything even attached to the vehicle passes over difficult terrain" then I would assume that it uses the base or hull for such measurements... you wouldn't penalize a tyranid for assaulting through cover if his genestealer's arm was over the area terrain, would you?
ReplyDeleteUnless the base itself is touching or is in the difficult terrain, I'm pretty sure that the answer is no. The wing extending beyond the base is no different than say the nose of an Eldar jetbike extending beyond its base. The is only considered to be in difficult terrain if its base is, so why would a Valkyrie be any different?
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ReplyDeleteNo, it is not in the terrain, it is over the terrain (which is presumably an as-is terrain piece). If its wing was sticking into the zone of a defined piece of area terrain, then yes.
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